Never forget Britain invented boxing

[lfc19titles]

The first boxing match took place in Britain

We invented this sport, remember that. Makes sense we now run boxing with Hearn running uk, European and American boxing

Joshua being the biggest star, the most feared and will be for the next 10 years

January 6th 1681, Britain invented the sport

October 24th 2018, Britain is still on top

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God save the queen

[Marchegiano]

Onomastos was the first boxing champion in 686 BC, in Olympia. Onomastos was from Anatolia.

[Marchegiano]

Meh, **** it. Nice thread kid, sit down, it's time for history class:

Philostratos: "Boxing was a discovery of the Lakedaimonians, and Polydeukes was the best at it and for this reason the poets sang of him in this event. The ancient Lakedaimonians boxed for the following reason: they had no helmets, nor did they think it proper to their native land to fight in helmets. They felt that a shield, properly used, could serve in the place of a helmet. Therefore they practiced boxing in order to know how to ward off blows to the face, and they hardened their faces in order to be able to endure the blows which landed. After a time, however, they quit boxing and the pankration as well, because these contests are decided by one opponent acknowledging defeat and this might give an excuse for her detractors to accuse Sparta of a lack of spirit."

Lakedaimonians are Spartans, bubba, not English.

Theokritos gives us an account of Polydeukes and the first boxing match: "A gigantic man was sitting there and sunning himself, an awesome sight. His ears were crushed from the rigors of boxing, his mighty chest and his broad back bulged with flesh of iron; he was like a colossal statue of hammered metal. The muscles on his firm arms just below the shoulder stood out like rounded stones which a winter's torrent rolls and polishes in great swirling eddies. Over his back there was slung a lion's skin fastened at his neck by the paws. And Polydeukes spoke to him thus:

POLYDEUKES: Good day, stranger, whoever you are. What people are they who own this land?
AMYKOS: Good day? How can the day be good when it brings to me men I never saw before?
POLYDEUKES: Do not be afraid. We are not evil men, nor were our fathers before us.
AMYKOS: I'm not afraid, and I'm not likely to learn to be afraid from the likes of you.
POLYDEUKES: Are you completely uncultured, always perverse and sneering?
AMYKOS: I am what you see, and I'm not trespassing on your land.
POLYDEUKES: Oh, well, come along with us and you will return home again with gifts of friendship.
AMYKOS: I don't want any gifts, and I've none for you.
POLYDEUKES: Well, may we at least have a drink of this water?
AMYKOS: You'll find out when you're a lot thirstier than now.
POLYDEUKES: If you want money just say how much.
AMYKOS: I want you to put up your dukes and fight me like a man.
POLYDEUKES: In boxing? Or may we kick each other's legs, too, and ...
AMYKOS: Shut up, put'em up, and do your damnedest.
POLYDEUKES: Wait! Is there a prize for which we will fight?
AMYKOS: If you win, you beat me, and if I win, I beat you.
POLYDEUKES: Game****s fight on such terms.
AMYKOS: I don't give a damn if we look like game****s or lions. You wanted a prize, and that's it.

So spoke Amykos, and he picked up and blew upon a hollow shell, at whose blast the Bebrykians, whose hair is never cut, swiftly gathered beneath the shady plane trees.

When the two combatants had strengthened their hands with oxhide straps and had wound the long himantes around their arms, they met in the middle of the gathering and breathed out mutual slaughter. At this point there was jostling between them in their eagerness to see who would get the sunlight at his back. By quick skill Polydeukes slipped by the huge man and the sun's ray struck Amykos full in the face. Then Amykos, enraged, rushed forward aiming his fist straight at the mark, but Polydeukes sidestepped and struck him on the point of his chin. Then, even more aroused, the giant battled wildly and, hunching over, he rushed heavily upon Polydeukes. The Bebrykians roared applause, while the heroes on the other side shouted words of encouragement to Polydeukes, for they feared that the giant fighter would press him into a corner and finish him. But Polydeukes, shifting his ground this way and that, striking now with his right, now with his left, cut Amykos up and checked his attack in spite of his huge size. The giant came to a standstill drunk with blows and spat out red blood, while all the heroes cheered when they saw the gashes around his mouth and jaws, and as his face swelled his eyes became narrower and narrower. Then Polydeukes continued to bewilder him by making feints from all directions, but when he saw that Amykos was utterly helpless, he drove his fist against his brow smack above the nose and laid bare his forehead to the bone, and Amykos went down hard, stretched out on the layers of leaves.But he got up again, and the fight became truly bitter; they dealt each other deadly blows from the hard himantes. But the giant kept throwing his punches at his opponent's chest and just below his neck while Polydeukes kept on battering Amykos' face all over. The giant's flesh shrank as he sweated and from a huge man he was fast becoming a small one whereas Polydeukes displayed ever-stouter limbs and a healthier color. Then Amykos, hoping desperately for a knockout punch, seized Polydeukes' left hand in his own left hand and leaned sideways in his forward lunge and reached down to his right side to bring up a huge haymaker. Had he landed the blow he would have knocked out the Spartan prince, but Polydeukes ducked out of the way and at the same time he hit Amykos beneath the left temple with a crisp right hand delivered straight from the shoulder; and blood spurted forth from Amykos' gaping temple. Immediately, with his now free left hand, he planted a punch on the giant's mouth, and the teeth rattled loose. With blows that thudded ever sharper and sharper, he battered the man's face until his cheeks were crushed in. Then finally Amykos went down flat on the ground and, dazed, he raised his hand and gave up the fight since he was close to death.

Polydeukes, though he had won, did nothing brutal to Amykos, but did make him swear never again to insult strangers."

The ancient Greeks thought that the first Games in Olympia were organized by heroes and gods. In his first Olympic Ode, dated to the fifth century BC, Pindar tells us about Pelops, the founder of the Games. Pelops, the son of Tantalus, came from Asia Minor to participate to a chariot race organized by Oinomaos, the king of Pisa in the Peloponnese. Oinomaos was told of an oracle according to which the marriage of his daughter Hippodameia would cause his death. Thus, he ordered his people to kill all the suitors who came to participate in the game. However, Pelops insidiously killed Oinomaos during the race and ended up marring Hippodameia. As king of the area, he was the first to organize the games to purify himself or, according to another version, to thank the gods for his victory. The organization of the chariot race was illustrated in the eastern pediment of the temple of Zeus in the 5th century BC. In the same way, Hippodameia instituted the Heraean games for the same reason. These were running games, conducted every four years and restricted uniquely to maidens.The Idaean Heracles is another heroic figure associated to the first Games. Heracles came with his brothers Kouretes from Crete, defined the length of the stadium at Olympia, organized a foot race with his brothers and crowned the victor with a wreath of wild olive leaves. Pindar also records that it was Theban Heracles, the son of Zeus who brought the wild olive from the Hyperborean countries, founded the foot race, introduced the cult of Zeus and determined the boundaries of the Sacred Altis. The historian Strabo reports that the descendants of Heracles (the Herakleidai) first organized the games, after the spread of the Aitolian and Dorian groups to Pisa. According to this interpretation, the Aetolian groups who conquered Pisa settled there under their leader Oxylus in the Late Mycenean period, ca. 1200-1100 BC. This occupation led to conflicts with the indigenous people, as indicated by the later antagonism between Eleans who migrated from Aetolia, and Pisatans. According to an Elean myth, Zeus took control of the sanctuary and founded the games.

Pausanius "With regard to the Olympic games, the Elean antiquaries say that Kronos first reigned in Heaven, and that a temple was made for him by the men of that age, who were named the Golden Race. When Zeus was born, Rhea entrusted the guardianship of her son to the Dactyls of Ida, who are the same as those called Curetes. They came from Cretan Ida—Heracles, Paeonaeus, Epimedes, Iasius and Idas.

Heracles, being the eldest, matched his brothers, as a game, in a running-race, and crowned the winner with a branch of wild olive, of which they had such a copious supply that they slept on heaps of its leaves while still green. It is said to have been introduced into Greece by Heracles from the land of the Hyperboreans, men living beyond the home of the North Wind.

Olen the Lycian, in his hymn to Achaeia, was the first to say that from these Hyperboreans Achaeia came to Delos. When Melanopus of Cyme composed an ode to Opis and Hecaerge declaring that these, even before Achaeia, came to Delos from the Hyperboreans.

And Aristeas of Proconnesus—for he too made mention of the Hyperboreans—may perhaps have learnt even more about them from the Issedones, to whom he says in his poem that he came. Heracles of Ida, therefore, has the reputation of being the first to have held, on the occasion I mentioned, the games, and to have called them Olympic.

Some say that Zeus wrestled here with Cronus himself for the throne, while others say that he held the games in honor of his victory over Cronus. The record of victors include Apollo, who outran Hermes and beat Ares at boxing. It is for this reason, they say, that the Pythian flute-song is played while the competitors in the pentathlum are jumping; for the flute-song is sacred to Apollo, and Apollo won Olympic victories."


Pindar "Then the mighty son of Zeus, having gathered together all his host at Pisa and all the booty, measured a sacred grove for his sovereign father. Having fenced round the Altis he marked the bounds thereof in a clear space, and the plain encompassing it he ordained for rest and feasting. He set apart the choicest of the spoil for an offering from the war and sacrificed, and he ordained the fifth year feast with the first Olympiad and prizes of victory.".


According to myth, Apollo invented boxing when he defeated and killed Phorbas, a fighter who forced travelers to Delphi to compete with him. Apollo defeated Ares in the first Olympia.

Phorbas vs Apollo

Philostratus: " This river, my boy, is the Boiotian Kephisos, a stream not unknown to the Mousai; and on its bank Phlegyans are encamped, barbarian people who do not yet live in cities. Of the two men boxing you doubtless see that one is Apollo, and the other is Phorbas, whom the Phlegyans have made king because he is tall beyond all of them and the most savage of the race. Apollo is boxing with him for the freedom of the road. For since Phorbas seized control of the road which leads straight to Phokis and Delphi, no one any longer sacrifices at Pytho or conducts paians in honour of the god, and the tripod's oracles and prophetic sayings and responses have wholly ceased. Phorbas separates himself from the rest of the Phlegyans when he makes his raids; for this oak-tree, my boy, he has taken as his home, and the Phlegyans visit him in these royal quarters in order, forsooth, to obtain justice. Catching those who journey toward the shrine, he sends the old men and children to the central camp of the Phlegyans for them to despoil and hold for ransom; but as for the stronger, he strips for a contest with them and overcomes some in wrestling, outruns others, and defeats others in the pancratium and in throwing the discus; then he cuts off their heads and suspends these on the oak, and beneath this defilement he spends his life. The heads hang dank from the branches, and some you see are withered and others fresh, while others have shrunken to bare skulls; and they grin and seem to lament as the wind blows on them. To Phorbas, as he exults over these ‘Olympian’ victories, has come Apollo in the likeness of a youthful boxer. As for the aspect of the god, he is represented as unshorn, my boy, and with his hair fastened up so that he may box with girt-up head; rays of light rise from about his brow and his cheek emits a smile mingled with wrath; keen is the glance of his eyes as it follows his uplifted hands. And the leather thongs are wrapped about his hands, which are more beautiful than if garlands adorned them. Already the god has overcome him in boxing, for the thrust of the right hand shows the hand still in action and not yet discontinuing the posture wherewith he has laid him low, but the Phlegyan is already stretched on the ground, and a poet will tell how much ground he covers; the wound has been inflicted on his temple, and the blood gushes forth from it as from a fountain. He is depicted as savage, and of swinelike features the kind that will feed upon strangers rather than simply kill them. Fire from heaven rushes down to smite the oak and set it afire, not, however, to obliterate all record of it; for the place where these events occurred, my boy, is still called ‘Heads of Oak.’"


Our lord Apollo is Greek, his boxing is Greek, and when you watch or participate in boxing you are performing an ancient Greek pagan rite.


Boxing in England just happens to come at the same time the English are reimagining Hellen? Nope, just like democracy boxing comes from Greece. That's why it's called the renaissance.


Show some ****in' respect to the Greeks and their gods you wormy little toad's pizzle.

[ashadam]

The first boxing match took place in Britain

We invented this sport, remember that. Makes sense we now run boxing with Hearn running uk, European and American boxing

Joshua being the biggest star, the most feared and will be for the next 10 years

January 6th 1681, Britain invented the sport

October 24th 2018, Britain is still on top

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God save the queen

I am from the UK who cares? What is the relevance?

[Citizen Koba]

Meh, **** it. Nice thread kid, sit down, it's time for history class:



Our lord Apollo is Greek, his boxing is Greek, and when you watch or participate in boxing you are performing an ancient Greek pagan rite.


Boxing in England just happens to come at the same time the English are reimagining Hellen? Nope, just like democracy boxing comes from Greece. That's why it's called the renaissance.


Show some ****in' respect to the Greeks and their gods you wormy little toad's pizzle.

Nice, man. I ain't really one for taking pride in the accomplishments of other men just because I happen to share a cultural background, but nonetheless I'm feeling quietly smug about my Helleno-Anglic heritage right about now

[sicko]

...And the Americans Perfected it and gave it STYLE AND GRACE


I really don't want to go down this Road and Bash the Brits because many of them I'm a fan of as well but I will just say this when was the last time a Brit has cracked even TOP 5 on ANY P4P List?
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Going to take more than big Attendance for AJ to make claim that "We're The Best" "We're The Mecca Of Boxing" sorry

[Marchegiano]

Nice, man. I ain't really one for taking pride in the accomplishments of other men just because I happen to share a cultural background, but nonetheless I'm feeling quietly smug about my Helleno-Anglic heritage right about now

You should be proud.

I am not Greek, or in any way Hellenistic. I am Puerto Rican.

I respect ancient Greek boxing because it's damn respectable. Greeks, Turks, Italians, everyone from Helen to Anatolia should be proud of their heritage.

Greece, Rome, The British Empire, The United States of America. Great boxing nations throughout history or the most powerful nations western culture has ever provided? Same thing really isn't it?

That is something to be proud of. Greece does not have to ever contribute again to be considered one of if not the most important cultures to western civilization.



Anyway, that said, the English did cool stuff too. There is no reason for any Englishman to try to claim Greek culture.

Daniel The *** Mendoza was English. He is also the man responsible for defensive posture and positioning, selling tickets to sporting events, using race and politics to get the crowd riled up, and manipulated his opponents into losing. He invented everything Floyd Mayweather does. Why not praise Daniel for inventing what of modern boxing the English did inspire?

[Roy Keane]

AJ is P4P.... and the best boxer in the world. P4P is meaningless.