the scoring of Ali vs. Frazier I

[butterfly1964]

I like your response even though we don't agree with score. What I don't like is when somebody don't give Ali enough credit for the way he fought in this one, like it was all Frazier. Frazier was more shot fighter after this match than Ali was. Ali performed extremely well in this fight, but I don't think it was his best performance. Ali's best performances were in 60's. Probably the best one was against Liston, first fight. The way he moved in ring in that fight is nothing short of art, especially in first and third round. Ali performed better against better opposition, but in 60's he was just simly better. Whatch his first fight with Chuvalo, also tough opponent, maybe the toughest guy that ever fought. Patterson almost never hit him during 12 rounds of one sided fight. Patterson was second fastest heavyweight in history, but still couldn't reach Ali. Please no excuses with Patterson's back injury and Liston's age. If you watch Liston against Williams in their two bouts you can see that its the same Liston that fought Ali, but what happened is that Liston couldn't match Ali's speed. He even had Ali blind in fifth and went on him like crazy but still Ali survived, amazing.

Liston was definetely past his prime. he was slower, and out of shape, and older. he was not the same guy that viciously took out Cleveland Williams in 1960. Plus Ali's best performance was against Cleveland Williams. In the liston fight he missed too many punches. in the Williams fight, his accuracy was the best i've ever seen of any fighter in history. he connects with almost all his punches.

[The Noose]

I scored it 7-6-2 for Frazier.

Ali definetely lost.

1.Ali
2.Ali
3.EVEN
4.Ali
5.Ali
6.Frazier
7.Frazier
8.Frazier
9.Ali
10.EVEN
11.Frazier
12.Frazier
13.Frazier
14.Ali
15.Frazier

I just watched it, and i had it almsot exactly the same. 7-6-2 Frazier.
Ialso scored both the 3rd and 10th even.

Last time i watched it i had it slightly wider for Frazier, this time it was very close.
I scored it purley on the punches. U could make a case for Fraziers aggession adding to his score. Or maybe the fact that he made Ali miss so often. Either way, its Fraziers fight.

[Marvelous63]

I believe that it was a much closer fight than the scorecards led people to believe, and the knockdown sealed the deal.
There are rounds that could have gone either way, and I scored the fight differently watching it the second time.

[Marvelous63]

I just watched it, and i had it almsot exactly the same. 7-6-2 Frazier.
Ialso scored both the 3rd and 10th even.

Last time i watched it i had it slightly wider for Frazier, this time it was very close.
I scored it purley on the punches. U could make a case for Fraziers aggession adding to his score. Or maybe the fact that he made Ali miss so often. Either way, its Fraziers fight.

I agree. But 7-6-2 is damn close no matter how you look at it.
11-4 is just bad judging in my opinion.

[hemichromis]

Liston was definetely past his prime. he was slower, and out of shape, and older. he was not the same guy that viciously took out Cleveland Williams in 1960. Plus Ali's best performance was against Cleveland Williams. In the liston fight he missed too many punches. in the Williams fight, his accuracy was the best i've ever seen of any fighter in history. he connects with almost all his punches.

true but liston got frustrated that was his downfall in my opinion

williams was also well past his prime and his punches were few and far between. its alot easier to hit someone wen you haven't got to worry about anyting coming back!

[Southpaw Stinger]

I just watched it, and i had it almsot exactly the same. 7-6-2 Frazier.
Ialso scored both the 3rd and 10th even.

Last time i watched it i had it slightly wider for Frazier, this time it was very close.
I scored it purley on the punches. U could make a case for Fraziers aggession adding to his score. Or maybe the fact that he made Ali miss so often. Either way, its Fraziers fight.

yeah I had it scored pretty similar.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Now that I can remove any bias I have, 11-2-2 for Frazier is a pretty good score. Ali takes 2 and 9, rounds 1 and 4 even, the rest for Frazier.

It was quite lopsided if one is unbiased. You guys need to quit being Ali nuthuggers.

[M26]

Joe Frazier won that fight for sure, but Muhammad Ali made him struggle for his win. I have watched that fight many times, and I always crumble in my chair when I see those awesome left hooks landing constantly on Alis unprotected chin. A great fight between a still somewhat ring rusty Ali and a prime Frazier.

By the way, it is amazing how little Ali dances around in this fight. And when he does, Frazier obviously has a difficult time catching him. The younger Ali of the 1960s would beat Frazier by wide decision or late tko, of this I am certain.

[ben41193]

I thought ali won all 3 fights/ I woulda loved to see him beat fraizier in his prime. The prime ali seously woulda murdewrd frazier

[Frazier's 15th round]

And when he does, Frazier obviously has a difficult time catching him.

Obviously? Frazier easily caught up to him. Frazier had some of his best moments when Ali was moving around. He had no difficulty landing shots.