Boxing Pioneers

[D4thincarnation]

I was reading some time ago about Gene Tunney and he was one of the if not the first boxer to study the tapes of his opponent. He done this for the Dempsey fights and probably gave him the edge over Dempsey. Nowadays all top class boxers or their trainer study the tapes.

I suppose the technology led the way but it could be seen that Tunney was a Pioneer.

Pancho Villa the great Filipino fighter, may have led the way in the rule of going to the neutral corner when you knock down your opponent. This rule was not in place when Villa fought but Villa known for being clean fighter use to go to a neutral corner when knocking down his opponent.
Pancho died young at only 23.


Bill Richmond maybe be considered the first pioneer of boxing. He first decided to use footwork, rather than just stand there and trade, he used his footwork and dodge the punches making his much opponents missed. Using this method he was able to beat much bigger moments.

What other boxers has set standards that the rest of boxing has followed?

[RubenSonny]

I was reading some time ago about Gene Tunney and he was one of the if not the first boxer to study the tapes of his opponent. He done this for the Dempsey fights and probably gave him the edge over Dempsey. Nowadays all top class boxers or their trainer study the tapes.

I suppose the technology led the way but it could be seen that Tunney was a Pioneer.

Pancho Villa the great Filipino fighter, may have led the way in the rule of going to the neutral corner when you knock down your opponent. This rule was not in place when Villa fought but Villa known for being clean fighter use to go to a neutral corner when knocking down his opponent.
Pancho died young at only 23.


Bill Richmond maybe be considered the first pioneer of boxing. He first decided to use footwork, rather than just stand there and trade, he used his footwork and dodge the punches making his much opponents missed. Using this method he was able to beat much bigger moments.

What other boxers has set standards that the rest of boxing has followed?

He was around 9stone fighting heavyweights, I mentioned something about him before changing the sport, he was said to have a very modern stance, a true pioneer.
Its pretty ridiculous the misconceptions people have about guys like Tunney, when he was a lot more skilled than most today, a very smart fighter.

[NChristo]

Daniel Mendoza was apparently the first to use modern defense techniques and was one of the greatest bare knuckle boxers.

Ted 'Kid' Lewis I believe introduced the gum shield to the sport and could be seen as a Pioneer in that sense .

[D4thincarnation]

Daniel Mendoza was apparently the first to use modern defense techniques and was one of the greatest bare knuckle boxers.

Ted 'Kid' Lewis I believe introduced the gum shield to the sport and could be seen as a Pioneer in that sense .

Nice one.

The gum shield did change boxing and every boxer uses one today.

Do you know what techniques Mendoza used?

Anybody have any idea's who was the creator of the Philly Shell Defense?

[NChristo]

Anybody have any idea's who was the creator of the Philly Shell Defense?

George Benton is probably the earliest 'recorded' boxer to use the Philly shell it's never been confirmed that he is the creator though and there's a always the possibility that someone used it earlier.

Do you know what techniques Mendoza used?

I said modern but what I really meant is defensive / scientific techniques, he was the first to really incorporate defense into boxing, ducking, blocking, side steps etc.
He was the first ***ish champion and I think (might be wrong) he was the first middleweight to go too Heavyweight and win a championship. Quite a Remarkable man, he did a lot for the sport but gets little recognition compared to some other old bare knuckle boxers like Mace and Sullivan.

[D4thincarnation]

George Benton is probably the earliest 'recorded' boxer to use the Philly shell it's never been confirmed that he is the creator though and there's a always the possibility that someone used it earlier.



I said modern but what I really meant is defensive / scientific techniques, he was the first to really incorporate defense into boxing, ducking, blocking, side steps etc.
He was the first ***ish champion and I think (might be wrong) he was the first middleweight to go too Heavyweight and win a championship. Quite a Remarkable man, he did a lot for the sport but gets little recognition compared to some other old bare knuckle boxers like Mace and Sullivan.

Slipping is something that is unnatural because you are moving towards the punch


Thanks will have do my research on them.

Good link about Richmond.

It was the time before Queensberry and boxers could use wrestling moves to put their opponent down.

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/ind.../richmond.html

[McGoorty]

I was reading some time ago about Gene Tunney and he was one of the if not the first boxer to study the tapes of his opponent. He done this for the Dempsey fights and probably gave him the edge over Dempsey. Nowadays all top class boxers or their trainer study the tapes.

I suppose the technology led the way but it could be seen that Tunney was a Pioneer.

Pancho Villa the great Filipino fighter, may have led the way in the rule of going to the neutral corner when you knock down your opponent. This rule was not in place when Villa fought but Villa known for being clean fighter use to go to a neutral corner when knocking down his opponent.
Pancho died young at only 23.


Bill Richmond maybe be considered the first pioneer of boxing. He first decided to use footwork, rather than just stand there and trade, he used his footwork and dodge the punches making his much opponents missed. Using this method he was able to beat much bigger moments.

What other boxers has set standards that the rest of boxing has followed?

There were fighters that went to a neutral corner years before Villa, many Australian fighters did it in the first 20 years of the century,... Aussie refs hated a fighter crowding a fallen opponent...... I think the Americans that fought there picked up the concept and a decade later or so, the US brought that practice into practice there...

[McGoorty]

I was reading some time ago about Gene Tunney and he was one of the if not the first boxer to study the tapes of his opponent. He done this for the Dempsey fights and probably gave him the edge over Dempsey. Nowadays all top class boxers or their trainer study the tapes.

I suppose the technology led the way but it could be seen that Tunney was a Pioneer.

Pancho Villa the great Filipino fighter, may have led the way in the rule of going to the neutral corner when you knock down your opponent. This rule was not in place when Villa fought but Villa known for being clean fighter use to go to a neutral corner when knocking down his opponent.
Pancho died young at only 23.


Bill Richmond maybe be considered the first pioneer of boxing. He first decided to use footwork, rather than just stand there and trade, he used his footwork and dodge the punches making his much opponents missed. Using this method he was able to beat much bigger moments.

What other boxers has set standards that the rest of boxing has followed?

Jack Broughton made the most significant changes in boxing for a 150 years or so..... among other innovations in technique and other areas, he was the very first man to bring gloves into use as far back as the 1720's or 30's.