ATGG-All Time Great Goof

[LondonRingRules]

i can break ur arguement easily.

1 - i never said jack was popular. he was with many blacks at the time however, even though some had gotten lynched for celebrating.

** This was the only argument I see that you addressed.

This is a thread devoted to All Time Great Goof, Poet, don't you know it?

My relevant point was he was not popular with ring patrons compared to Sam Langford who was quite popular. Johnson did have a few supporters in the media, but Langford probably had more, especially in England where he seems to have been quite popular.

You want to create a thread on Johnson, be my guest. He's a fun topic, but you'll have to forgive me in advance when I pick apart certain parts of his record. Joe Jeannette and Harry Wills were unanimous that Langford was the best heavy of the era, not Johnson.

[j]

** This was the only argument I see that you addressed.

This is a thread devoted to All Time Great Goof, Poet, don't you know it?

My relevant point was he was not popular with ring patrons compared to Sam Langford who was quite popular. Johnson did have a few supporters in the media, but Langford probably had more, especially in England where he seems to have been quite popular.

You want to create a thread on Johnson, be my guest. He's a fun topic, but you'll have to forgive me in advance when I pick apart certain parts of his record. Joe Jeannette and Harry Wills were unanimous that Langford was the best heavy of the era, not Johnson.

oh yeah, blacks really hated jack. that's why they celebrated when he won the title, right?

u must be a langford jockey.

[StarshipTrooper]

oh yeah, blacks really hated jack. that's why they celebrated when he won the title, right?

u must be a langford jockey.

LRR IS correct on this point: There was a backlash against Johnson in the black community AFTER he won the title. Johnson drew his own color line (monetary reasons) and many in the black community felt Johnson's over-the-top behavior after winning the title made it harder for them, feeling his behavior set back the progress of the black community decades. This backlash could still be seen some 20 years later when Jack Blackburn, a great black Lightweight who was a contemporary of Johnson's, expressed out and out disdain for the man when Blackburn was training Joe Louis.

Poet

[j]

LRR IS correct on this point: There was a backlash against Johnson in the black community AFTER he won the title. Johnson drew his own color line (monetary reasons) and many in the black community felt Johnson's over-the-top behavior after winning the title made it harder for them, feeling his behavior set back the progress of the black community decades. This backlash could still be seen some 20 years later when Jack Blackburn, a great black Lightweight who was a contemporary of Johnson's, expressed out and out disdain for the man when Blackburn was training Joe Louis.

Poet

so, my sources, books, were wrong??? cause i read about great celebrations after many people hearing about his winning the title. perhaps after a while they might have felt the way you described.

i have a good portion of one of my bookshelves dedicated to jack johnson, so i will try to digg up some quotes.

too bad my uncles isnt around. he was a golden gloves champ in the 1930's.

[StarshipTrooper]

so, my sources, books, were wrong??? cause i read about great celebrations after many people hearing about his winning the title. perhaps after a while they might have felt the way you described.

i have a good portion of one of my bookshelves dedicated to jack johnson, so i will try to digg up some quotes.

too bad my uncles isnt around. he was a golden gloves champ in the 1930's.

No, your sources are correct: They DID celebrate his victory. The backlash came afterwards when he'd had the title for a while. At the time he beat Burns he was lauded.

Poet

[j]

No, your sources are correct: They DID celebrate his victory. The backlash came afterwards when he'd had the title for a while. At the time he beat Burns he was lauded.

Poet

yes. that is what i was refferring to initially. yeah, there was harsh backlash. also, there were some african americans who didnt like the lifestyle of jack's or the white women thing also.

so yeah, i know what u initially meant as well.

for all i know, it seemed almost mixed amongst people - his likability i mean.

[LondonRingRules]

I've watched Pacquiao - Hatton four times over the past week and I keep being struck by how much he looked like Duran fighting. Manny really has devoloped into a legit boxer-puncher instead of just a brawler.

** My STARS, just a brawler?

Gots to have a another nice little pop at more of your popcorn, calling one of the deadliest, quickest sluggers in history just a brawler in the beginning.

Duran was the brutish brawler/fighter fine tuned by Arcel and Brown with slickness and footwork. Manny has never been a brawler. He's a pure fighter and a gentleman, much closer to Sugar Ray Robby, not a Duran knockin'nads around and making them chime, hitting on breaks, elbows, rabbit punches and the like.

Moreover, this nonsense that Manny was just a one handed fighter before Roach holds as much water as a leaky bucket. Roach deserves credit for refinement, but Manny always used his right hand for good purpose. Now he can use it for better purpose.

You were struck alright, you got the first part right, by apoplexy when Manny knocked the earth off it's axis.

[LondonRingRules]

Ali was able to adapt his way of fighting post-exhile to account for the fact that his reflexes were slipping and he could no longer dance for 15 rounds non-stop.
Poet

** Gotta love the resident poet cum purple slurple koolaide sipper's classic gems.

I'm assuming he has fantasies of Ali dancing nonstop for 15 rds he wants to share. Any of you chaps want to hazard a guess which fights he's referring to?