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[JAB5239]

no he didnt... i mean guys who says that... just dont mind them... im relatively a new fan compared to most of u guys in this section... but everytime i read those duran is a bum kind of posts, i just laugh them off...

relax a little bit my man... you are one of my fave posters here along with jabbie & wmute...

Guys who talk **** like that don't know boxing plain and simple or have an agenda. I don't always agree with everyone, but its pretty easy to weed out the morons from the intelligent posters here. This particular forum has some great posters with excellent observations, opinions and knowledge, but the idiots will always be amongst them. Sometimes you try and teach them and hope they learn a thing or two. Other times you gotta piss on their leg to make a point. It is what it is.

[LondonRingRules]

just a few comments. iron mike had a lot of "inside help", shall i put it, to getting the title fights he got. and fighting the people he fought. and, basically everything. mike will even tell you this.

and to imply that jack johnson was ducking was only speculative at most to my knowledge. i have heard just a few people say this, but not much facts to go on. unless you wouldnt mind clarifying the "peanuts" fights he had. and remember to leave out the time where he was traveling the world to have to box while he was evading the law. unless you are for some reason including that.

and really, fighting white people was where the money was at. it is like the haye-klitschko fight. completely different sides, characters, class, size, skills, etc etc etc

** Pretty self evident that everyone who ever got a title fight had "inside help." Mike had 3 of the best HOFers in boxing history on his team which is a key reason that his natural attributes were able to be developed into the most devastating heavy in history.

Apparently you've never read much on Jack Johnson. Sam Langford was one of the most popular fighters of the day with Jeannette being somewhat less so. Johnson was not a popular fighter prior to winning his title, nor was he popular afterwards.

Ketchel and Obrien were big non-heavy names in the day and Johnson made decent money in them, but Jeffries was the fight he made his legend and fortune in. The rest of his defenses were against nobodies, really poor fights with Tony Ross, Al Kaufman, Fireman Flynn, Battling Johnson who was black, and Frank Moran. Kaufman at least had some decent size and record.

Flynn was held in Las Vegas New Mexico, as close to nowhere a person can be, then JJ's smuggled into Canada where he travels to France, not "travelling the world." He was broke and desperate for money when noted black and white heavy champs come to France to take on the great Euro and French Champ Carpentier as well as each other. With JJ in attendence, need I state the obvious?

Johnson got paid virtually nothing to defend against Battle Johnson and Moran. Any of those other contenders fighting each other in France would have been big money fights, and two were white. There were substantial title offers for the Langford fight in particular.

Professional champs, indeed, fighters fight for money, and when big money is turned down for the equivilent of a bowl of gruel, the natural conclusion is that they don't fancy their chances against legitimate challenge.

Trust me, there will be yet another umpteenth post regurgitating the usual dreary dreck dredged up by reading the usual cookie cutter cottage industry publications about Johnson. Poor Jack this and that, boo hoo, hoo, but the guy hit the jackpot and then starts a long spiral downwards from any claim of superiority over his era peers.

I mean, having to flee to Paris, France where you can make big money and live like a king, are we to feel sorry for anyone to have an opportunity like that?

I'd do that in a half a heartbeat right now if given the chance, but alas, I don't even get paid for silly slapping our resident 8th grade poet around with white sissy gloves, so forget that dream.

[LondonRingRules]

Yeah, it's typical. A word of advice though: If you're going to make a thread taking on an established poster it's better to wait until you've made enough posts to give yourself a track record. Otherwise people will simply figure you're an alt or a newbie: Either way you'll catch some heat. Alts are frowned upon in the serious forums (such as boxing history); and longtime posters will circle the wagons around a fellow longtime poster if a newbie has a go at him. Just a friendly FYI. Now go build up you post count so you can take the piss out him from a solid foundation
Poet

** Ah, a sepia toned fuzzy Hallmark card moment as the resident 8th grader takes a little 6th grader under his wing.

Classic!

[Hawkins]

** Ah, a sepia toned fuzzy Hallmark card moment as the resident 8th grader takes a little 6th grader under his wing.

Classic!

I guess that makes you the resident 4th grader with a learning disability huh?

[StarshipTrooper]

I guess that makes you the resident 4th grader with a learning disability huh?

He may be the special needs short-bus rider. TIMMY!!!

Poet

[LondonRingRules]

I guess that makes you the resident 4th grader with a learning disability huh?

** Heh, heh, Poet's deathly afraid of 4th graders, don't you know it? 4th grade was a rough, rough year for him.

Happy Mother's Day...............

[RightCross94]

** Heh, heh, Poet's deathly afraid of 4th graders, don't you know it? 4th grade was a rough, rough year for him.

Happy Mother's Day...............

lame ass comeback buddy

[j]

londonringrules....wait, what, i dont know much about jack johnson?

are u crazy??? do u know how much video footage i have recieved and how many books i have about jack? including autobigs.

i would no doubt love to challenge u about your info. too bad my golden gloves champ uncle died a few years ago. as now, i cant get more actual info from people closer to sources.

u r way the hell off base. and u think u know everything.

and i just commented on your great points on the w klitschko thread.

i can break ur arguement easily.

1 - i never said jack was popular. he was with many blacks at the time however, even though some had gotten lynched for celebrating.

2 - jack had white people in his camp which helped him negotiate. he, many times, turned down offers in order to renegotiate. he didnt always fight for a lot of cash, but to be able to buy 4 or 5 cars per year and being able to wear 2 suits a day was a clear indicator that he had some cash.

3 - tyson had more help than many boxers as evidence shows by the numorous indictments that king had and testimony from other fighters. look into the sports illustrated archives.

there have always been crookedness in boxing, but what i am saying is that mike also had media hyping which contributed to his somewhat "legendary" status. not to mention the bribes to fighters to take dives - this was, to my reading, most common in the late 70's and 80's.

yeah, mmhmm.

[StarshipTrooper]

londonringrules....wait, what, i dont know much about jack johnson?

are u crazy??? do u know how much video footage i have recieved and how many books i have about jack? including autobigs.

i would no doubt love to challenge u about your info. too bad my golden gloves champ uncle died a few years ago. as now, i cant get more actual info from people closer to sources.

u r way the hell off base. and u think u know everything.

and i just commented on your great points on the w klitschko thread.

i can break ur arguement easily.

1 - i never said jack was popular. he was with many blacks at the time however, even though some had gotten lynched for celebrating.

2 - jack had white people in his camp which helped him negotiate. he, many times, turned down offers in order to renegotiate. he didnt always fight for a lot of cash, but to be able to buy 4 or 5 cars per year and being able to wear 2 suits a day was a clear indicator that he had some cash.

3 - tyson had more help than many boxers as evidence shows by the numorous indictments that king had and testimony from other fighters. look into the sports illustrated archives.

there have always been crookedness in boxing, but what i am saying is that mike also had media hyping which contributed to his somewhat "legendary" status. not to mention the bribes to fighters to take dives - this was, to my reading, most common in the late 70's and 80's.

yeah, mmhmm.

J, you just learned the hard was about LRR

Poet

[j]

J, you just learned the hard was about LRR

Poet

ahh! u cheeky bastard! thanx for the warning though. lol.